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    Sept 26, 2007 at 04:39 PMReply with quote#51

Yes, she said depending on the situation it could or could not be "the same thing"....not it could or could not be a sin.

Why do you beleive it is a sin? Abortion that is?

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    Sept 26, 2007 at 09:19 PMReply with quote#52

@Carol...God is no respecter of persons; yet, he alone knows our hearts and intentions.  I say this because given the right circumstances, say unless your pregnancy is terminated you will die what decision would you make?  I do not condone abortion as a form of birth control thus I do not condone the act.  Yet, as I've stated before if your life was at risk would you keep the baby and die or would you remain steadfast in your convictions?  It all depends on your level of faith and your current relationship with God. 

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    Sept 27, 2007 at 09:22 AMReply with quote#53

Well said, Kern, well said!


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    Sept 28, 2007 at 02:42 PMReply with quote#54

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Yes, she said depending on the situation it could or could not be "the same thing"....not it could or could not be a sin.

Why do you beleive it is a sin? Abortion that is?


@Carol,
 
I asked a question above.....
 
 

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    Jan 21, 2009 at 10:14 PMReply with quote#55

I am still awaiting the answer of if there is such a thing as a conditional sin. I would also like more to be said about if abortion is a sin?


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    Jan 21, 2009 at 10:34 PMReply with quote#56

Pastor Solomon,

What are your thoughts on the matter?

If i had to answer the question, i would say, it is probably a sin because most of the time when a person have an abortion it is usually done in secret, people usually sneak to do it, lie and hide it.  So umn, im assuming it is a sin because people want to do it in the dark.  or maybe they are just afraid of what others might say?

I dont know.

Is abortion the same as murder?  Some might say it depends on how far along a person was when they had an abortion - was there any life?  Okay, here's a question....when is there life in a baby in  the womb? day one, month 1, 2, 3?? what?

i know the Father said multiply and replensih the earth...is there anywhere in the bible where someone "got rid of an unborn child".  Then now i wonder, can you kill something that is unborn? Sounds redundant huh?

Hmmn.

What do i suggest?

Let us live in a way where we wont have to question if abortion is a sin or not.  I know it can happen to the best of us, one thing i am sure of.....God approved of life.....

Is there a thing as conditional sin:No...sin is sin.  and i dont need to give scriptural reference for that  one.  Anyoen who ask for a scripture for that, i will refer you to the altar. (yeah im serious)



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    Jan 22, 2009 at 11:53 AMReply with quote#57

I found this online...see below!


Abortion Is An Act of Murder

In reference to pregnant women, the term "with child" occurs twenty-six times in the Bible. The term "with fetus" never occurs once.

In Luke chapter one, verses 36 and 41, we are told that Elisabeth conceived a "son" and that the "babe" leaped in her womb. God does not say that a "fetus" leaped in her womb! He says THE BABE leaped.

David said in Psalm 51:5, "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me." He did not say that a fetus was shapen in iniquity and conceived in iniquity. David, speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, said that HE was conceived. David, not a blob of tissue, was conceived.

The same is the case in Psalm 139:13-16:

"...thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: ...Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them."

Who was in the womb? David! A literal and living person. The Bible never uses anything less than human terms to describe the unborn.

Notice that in Jeremiah 1:5 we are told that God KNEW Jeremiah:"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

To further confirm the fact that God views the unborn child as a person, please consider Exodus 21:22-23:

"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,"

If the woman has a premature birth and the child lives ("no mischief follows"), then there's no death penalty. However, if the child dies (or the woman dies) God says the death penalty applies: "thou shalt give life for life." Why would God require the death penalty if He didn't consider the unborn child to be a human being?

Abortion Attempts To Destroy A Work of God

"I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him." (Ecc. 3:14)

God is eternal, so His work is also eternal. Abortion is an attempt to do away with unwanted people--an attempt to make a liar out of God by bringing an end to His work. However, Jesus said you can destroy a person's BODY, but not their SOUL (Mat. 10:28). Parent, if you've had an abortion, your aborted child is in Heaven right now, because you only destroyed the body!


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    Jan 25, 2009 at 08:58 AMReply with quote#58

Awesome, Carol!

Most of what you wrote I agree with. 

Way to go!!!!
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    Jan 26, 2009 at 12:36 AMReply with quote#59

Thank you much Lon

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    Jan 27, 2009 at 01:23 AMReply with quote#60

Since abortion is a sin how do we minister to those who have gone through this process?


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    Jan 27, 2009 at 03:13 PMReply with quote#61

We minister to such ones the same way that Jesus would have...with love and empathy.


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    Jan 28, 2009 at 12:14 AMReply with quote#62

Is there an example in the bible where Jesus ministered to someone who committed abortion?


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    Feb 01, 2009 at 10:36 PMReply with quote#63

No there is not a situation in the Bible where Jesus ministered to someone who had committed abortion but there are many situations in the Bible where Jesus ministered to SINNERS. Sin is sin no matter which one you committed.


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